Caracal: 3 damage mods, no missile related rigs / implants, max skills, 335 EFT DPS with Caldari Nova missiles.
Incursus: standard AB fit with DC, ENAM, 2 small repps, 2 auxiliary nano pumps, max skills, no other implants
all T2, except for rigs

new RLML role - kill smaller sized ships fast, before reinforcements arrive. Burst damage: that means you kill 1 -3 frigates fast and run away before you need to reload. New RLML's failed to kill 1 cookie fitted Incursus while shooting it with a full load of caldari nova missiles. Having to reload = dead because you can't kill 1 frig before reinforcements arriving.

Please try yourself now.

I just tested the new RLML launchers in a Caracal with triple BCS on Tranquility and they where unable to kill a cookie cutter dual repp Incursus.

I make it that the Caracal applies 325 DPS unheated to a webbed Incursus with overloaded AB. The Incursus tanks 155 DPS overloaded, which means that it dies in about 18 seconds.

I suspect that the problem is that you don't know how to fit a Caracal.

I'm having a great time with the new launcher mechanic.

Guess I have "Adapted".

I'm having a great time with the new launcher mechanic.

Guess I have "Adapted".

So people who can adapt to change and are giving positive feedback to these new weapons should just cancel their subscription and GTFO

I think we will come out of this with a very fun pair of weapon systems. If we don't, it will get changed.

[quote=Spugg Galdon]
The only issue with these weapons right now is ammo switching. This is currently being worked on and I hope to see it in 1.1

Maybe people should start experimenting with different fits instead of same lse fits?

Reporting asb as a dps tank is sort of misleading anyway

You need to consider everything when considering ship balance. An old style RLML Caracal had the ability to fit a standard cruiser tank. Deal decent DPS with excellent damage projection and excellent damage application with only "soft tackle" (disruptor only).

Yes. These theoretical Gallente gank cruisers look really amazeballs on paper and they probably can steam roller other ships of their class as long as they start the fight on their terms but they also have their weaknesses that are easily exploitable.

Yes. The new RLML's can be frustrating but also very powerful. The main problem that I see people having with them is that active tanked/heavily tanked, AB'ing frigates are difficult to kill without full tackle. This setup is the hard counter to this weapon system though so you need to find a way to beat them and deal with it.

The magazine size, ROFand reload time have been carefully selected so that your damage per minute isn't bonkers and also gives frigate users a bit of a chance to not just get curb stomped. This also balances the weapon vs cruisers.

The only issue this weapon has right now is the ammo switching problem which is being worked on.In the meantime, try to find the best use of these weapons for you without relying on cookie cutter fits of old.

It wasn't clear that it was tongue in cheek to me. It looked like just another case of people proposing ideas without having thought about the consequences. The idea of tripling capacity seemed to be serious also, but was just as absurd.

Since launch, I've been continuing to monitor the effect of the rapid missile change through usage metrics, discussion with CSM, conversation with players I know who are using them and using them myself on TQ. I see that some places, especially in this thread, there's a lot of frustration still about the change in general but the majority of it is lacking any substance except for the simple claim that 40 seconds of reload isn't fun.

I'll try to hit a few points raised in the last page or two, sorry if it's not everything.

Few comments about ignoring feedback still. I think maybe this is just because the only thing that counts as acknowledging it is to act. You're right that a lot of people have said they don't want the change, and I haven't reversed it, but to me that isn't ignoring. I've listened intensely, not ignored, but I can see how lack of action based on a set of feedback isn't satisfying and feels like disregard. I'll just keep saying that it's not and that I value the feedback and it influences our decisions even when that isn't apparent.

On rolling out RHML with the new mechanic and leaving RLML - We definitely considered doing this but we really disliked the inconsistency. With both systems sharing a name and a lot of other patterns (fitting requirements, ammo use being down a size, etc) it seemed really bad to have them working in entirely different ways. I acknowledge that with those motivations aside, it would have been nice to try the mechanic on just RHML first.

On metrics - there's a few things that are getting pointed out which are absolutely true. A few small points on our use of metrics:
1. We look at a range of things including, but not limited to, mod activations, damage done by the mod type, amount bought/sold and some stats associated with the ships most likely to use the mod.
2. Metrics are very useful but also limited, we don't expect to get the whole story from them, especially considering how complex EVE is, but that doesn't mean it isn't a useful resource. Same thing could be said about using forum feedback I would say.
3. The big thing mentioned above that we keep in mind constantly is that a lot of the usage in EVE has momentum associated with something other than the powerlevel or immediate preference of the player. Skill training, access to assets, aesthetics and simply developing patterns around certain things all make the metrics a lot different than they would be on the test server where every ship looked the same and everyone had max sp. We try to keep that in mind always.

Finally, I just want to say that the 'fun' factor of the mechanic is very difficult to evaluate objectively. There's evidence pointing in a lot of directions, and I still like the idea of doing something different more than sticking with something very safe and normal. The evidence that says it is fun, since I'm sure you will be skeptical of that claim' is both direct (my experience and the experience of some players posting here or talking with me directly) and also the existence of similar mechanics in other games. War Thunder for instance has this mechanic on every single plane in the game and people seem to find that very fun generally. I'm still trying to gather as much info as possible and if you guys are using it and are able to say it's not fun (separate from it not being good, which is a different issue and could be corrected with numbers tweaks like 30s reload or more ammo per launcher) please post and let me know.

Warde Guildencrantz
In terms of ammo types, they already said they would look into being able to switch ammo easily without a 40 second reload back at the start of the topic.

It wouldn't be able to exploit the 40 second reload timer because (as I currently understand it) it will be a 1 for 1 swap of ammo.

For example: you have 15 rounds of Fury missiles. You switch to precision but you would only get 15 rounds of precision.

or

you have 5 rounds of explosive and switch to EM. you only get 5 rounds of EM.